Friday, November 27, 2009

MOVIE DEBATES: Me Vs. A IMDB Random on 2009 films including Where the Wild Things Are, Hurt Locker, and Up

Over the past week me and this guy online have been debating certain movies. I admit I started the debate because I completely disagreed with him on various movies. I will post the debate here and you decide. His spelling and grammar is kind of wack, but you all can have as much fun trying to read it as I did.

1st Post--- Con--AnonymousIMDBUser

Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans - fun, but story lacks
Fantastic Mr. Fox - YES, best ive seen so far
Drag Me to Hell - made my top 10 list
Food, Inc - informative but as usual, sensationalized
The Hangover - overrated and not dat funnie
Harry Potter VI - kinda boring soap opera feel
The Hurt Locker - nothing special, just a series of climaxes
Inglorious Basterds - YES, one of best
A Perfect Getaway - tries 2 be clever but has too many plot holes
Coraline - i wuz bored
The House of the Devil - wow, one of worst movies of dis year
500 Days of Summer - some scenes of brilliance but ultimately falls 2 cliches
Star Trek - one of worst and most overrated in my book. those hollywoood trix dont work on me
Up - not everything pixar does is gold
Watchmen - horrible. proof dat a verbatim film adaptation does not work
Where the Wild Things Are - plot holes, fail.
Zombieland - Awesome fun. Great movie
I Love You, Man - forgettable and not dat funnie

2nd Post--- Pro--thewade6162

I'll just debate you on the ones i've seen.

Drag Me To Hell- agreed.

The Hangover- Not that funny, but a classic, you have to agree.

Harry Potter VI- Liked it better than most of them, because it focused more on story than cheap action.

The Hurt Locker-Absolutely fantastic, dont know how you got your conclusion.

Inglourious Basterds- Agreed.

A Perfect Getaway- Agreed.

Star Trek- Hollywood tricks? what are you talking about? having a great story, great actors, great effects, is hollywood tricks?

Up- Everything Pixar does is gold and this is platinum.

Watchmen- Proof that it does work.

Where the Wild Things Are- Have to understand what the director was going for, and you didnt. Great Movie. Succeed.

Zombieland- Agreed

I Love You Man- Forgettable yes, but still very funny.

3rd Post-------Con----AnonymousIMDBUser

The Hangover- Not that funny, but a classic, you have to agree.
I don't agree. I don't. Only guy dat wuz funnie wuz fat jesus

Harry Potter VI- Liked it better than most of them, because it focused more on story than cheap action. story? yeh if u like luv triangles and cheap drama - soap opera garbage

The Hurt Locker-Absolutely fantastic, dont know how you got your conclusion.
because there was no build-up to ultimate climax. where is da climax in dis? there r none, bec each bomb disarmament is a climax

Star Trek- Hollywood tricks? what are you talking about? having a great story, great actors, great effects, is hollywood tricks?
let me ask u something. do u know a hero's journey? if not, u need 2 read more be4 u debate me

Up- Everything Pixar does is gold and this is platinum.
haha, not. def not.

Watchmen- Proof that it does work.
disappointment. daz all i can say

Where the Wild Things Are- Have to understand what the director was going for, and you didnt. Great Movie. Succeed.
i totally understand it. let me ask u something. how is a kid able 2 depict his feelings thru monsters and work them out dis way? bec dat is a very abstract if not complex process of problem solving dat even adults wud not be able 2 do wid an aid of a psychiatrist

I Love You Man- Forgettable yes, but still very funny.
humor is subjective

4th Post-----Pro-----thewade6162

Sweet...This is getting fun.

The Hangover- I don't agree. I don't. Only guy dat wuz funnie wuz fat jesus

The funny thing about the whole movie was the story, and it was developed well, I mean I didn't laugh that much but I really enjoyed the movie.

Harry Potter VI- story? yeh if u like luv triangles and cheap drama - soap opera garbage

Do you watch soap operas, cause this wasnt at all like a soap opera. I mean yes there was a love triangle (Ron, that one chick, Hermoine) but the movie didnt fully focus on that.

The Hurt Locker- because there was no build-up to ultimate climax. where is da climax in dis? there r none, bec each bomb disarmament is a climax

The good things about most movies is they dont follow the basic guidelines of how a story should be made with build ups and climaxes, what Bigelow was trying to do in The Hurt Locker was give you the tense feeling of a bomb disarmer in the Iraq war.

Star Trek- let me ask u something. do u know a hero's journey? if not, u need 2 read more be4 u debate me

A Heroes Journey? is that a book or something. If it is no I havent read it but im sure if I did I might say "Holy *beep* thats better than Star Trek" but I seriously doubt it'll change my mind about STar Trek being a good movie.

Up- haha, not. def not.

I don't understand how you didn't like Up, I loved it, most of America loved it cause it appelead to kids by being funny and adults by being serious, one of Pixars best.

Watchmen- disappointment. daz all i can say

Ok I will agree it couldve been better, and certainly shorter, but still the effects and the poetic feel behind Watchmen was excellent.

Where the Wild Things Are-.
i totally understand it. let me ask u something. how is a kid able 2 depict his feelings thru monsters and work them out dis way? bec dat is a very abstract if not complex process of problem solving dat even adults wud not be able 2 do wid an aid of a psychiatrist

They had a million press things saying that its not meant for kids, but if kids do see it i'm sure they'll still enjoy it. As for adults they can get the deep touch and feeling that WTWTA has to offer.

I Love You, Man-
humor is subjective

This is true.

5th Post----Con-----AnonymouseIMDBUser

last harry potter totally focus too much on luv relationships as director wanted 2 show they r growing up and know da target audience have grown up as well and wud wanna see boring luv situations ala twilight. just look at how rushed da climax wid dumbledore wuz and u know wat i mean.

its great they trying 2 do something different wid hurt locker but a series of climaxes is not exactly a better formula. one or 2 shud suffice. makes da dark knight look less climatic.

fyi, a hero's journey is de facto hollywood formula found in 99% of filmz u see. reason why star trek failz so much is they didnt even try 2 change da formula up since at certain times director tries 2 change it up a little but not really a whole lot bec according to gospel, any deviation from dis formula will not result in big box office numberz. in star trek, they follow it verbatim and yes, they made big bux bec of dis. how does one know dis? just compare new star trek wid storyline of star wars. yes, star wars, is da #1 example they use in screenwriting 101. i mean they so lazy, they didnt even change da whole planet eating/destroying deathstar premise...its laughable.

u misunderstood about wild things. i did not say its 4 kidz. clearly its not 4 kidz. i say, how in world wud da kid IN DA MOVIE know 2 use monsterz 2 represent his feelings and work them out. dis wuz da indie trick in dis movie and it totally failz bec a kid wud never be so sophisticated as 2 work out his probs dis way. u can argue till cows come home, but no.

6th Post-----Pro-----thewade6162

-----last harry potter totally focus too much on luv relationships as director wanted 2 show they r growing up and know da target audience have grown up as well and wud wanna see boring luv situations ala twilight. just look at how rushed da climax wid dumbledore wuz and u know wat i mean.-----

WOW Twilight is trash, and this no way compares to it, For the past few Harry Potters they have been using the same formula, with there action and stuff. But what I personally enjoyed about Half Blood Prince was, it felt a little more real, these love situtaions you speak of are what people at that age go through. One of the purposes of Half Blood was to prepare the audience for what will be the epic ending. And it succeeded.

-----its great they trying 2 do something different wid hurt locker but a series of climaxes is not exactly a better formula. one or 2 shud suffice. makes da dark knight look less climatic----

The Hurt Locker was going for realism, and in war there is always a series of climaxes.



-----fyi, a hero's journey is de facto hollywood formula found in 99% of filmz u see. reason why star trek failz so much is they didnt even try 2 change da formula up since at certain times director tries 2 change it up a little but not really a whole lot bec according to gospel, any deviation from dis formula will not result in big box office numberz. in star trek, they follow it verbatim and yes, they made big bux bec of dis. how does one know dis? just compare new star trek wid storyline of star wars. yes, star wars, is da #1 example they use in screenwriting 101. i mean they so lazy, they didnt even change da whole planet eating/destroying deathstar premise...its laughable.------

This "Heroes Journey" you are speaking of sounds reasonable. And I agree I have seen the formula in Star Trek before. But just because its an old formula doesnt mean its not still fresh. Also I find it hard to relate the actual storyline to Star Wars with Star Trek. Besides the fact they are both in space (sarcasm). Most movies try to get all there money from cheap effects (2012) but in Star Treks scenario Abrams created amazing, box office winning effects with a fantastic story giving rebirth to the Star Trek franchise. So all I can say is Thank God for the de facto hollywood formula because it works.




-----u misunderstood about wild things. i did not say its 4 kidz. clearly its not 4 kidz. i say, how in world wud da kid IN DA MOVIE know 2 use monsterz 2 represent his feelings and work them out. dis wuz da indie trick in dis movie and it totally failz bec a kid wud never be so sophisticated as 2 work out his probs dis way. u can argue till cows come home, but no.------


I remeber blantly when I was a kid, and I was pretty much like Max, I had an insane imagination and I had emotional troubles, always wanting attention and throwing temper. The land of the wild things was Maxs imagination, and each of the Wild Things reflecting a certain thing in his life, if you noticed all the monsters were just as immature as him about certain situations. Really Wild Things takes some understanding, and a couple nights rests to think about.

7th Post-----Con-----AnonymousIMDBUser

u clearly dont understand wild things. given such dis invalidates any pt u made

8th Post-----Pro------thewade6162

nope, you don't understand it, and its clearly obvious. I rest my case.

9th Post-----Con------AnonymousIMDBUser

haha. i feel sorry 4 u and ur horrible taste in movies

10th Post------Pro-------thewade6162

my horrible taste in movies, when acording to many reviews, I am agreed with more. You don't like like any movie, and I couldnt live a life where I thought every movie was bad


11th Post------Con-------AnonymousIMDBUser

so bec critix sed its good then it must be good? logical. most r bad. daz why i have my top 5

12th Post------Pro--------thewade6162

I never said critics...How about the imdb ratings which are based on what the viewer thinks. Why dont you check those out for Where the Wild Thigns Are, Star Trek, and The Hurt Locker. I am agreed with more, thats that. Oh and I never gave you my top 5 of 2009 so I might go ahead

1- The Hurt Locker
2- Up
3- Where the Wild Things Are
4- Inglourious Basterds
5- Fantastic Mr Fox

13th Post-------Con------AnonymousIMDBUser

its funnie bec da best movies of 2009 were actually on bottom of ur list...haha

14th Post------Pro-------thewade6162

I do agree with you that Inglourious Basterds and Mr Fox are pretty good. But as far as the other 3 go, I think you need to watch them again or something. Cause you missed something idk.

15th Post----Con-----AnonymousIMDB User

hurt locker - saw it 3 times...some good jokes here there, doesnt have high rewatch factor since no suspense after 1st time, basically just a series of climaxes. cowboy character dev is best, but seen better

up - saw it 3 times. i wuz figeting in my seat all 3 times. manipulative beginning 2 bring da tearz home, contrived story wid da balloons. understood all msgs of movie - main one being life goes on and metaphor of house rep his wife. contrived none da less and climax felt like some sat morning cartoon. mediocre at best, but failed in my book. not even close 2 ratatouille.

wild things - saw it twice...once wuz enuf. ruined a perfectly great kidz movie into some indie psychoanalysis bs. no kid in audience wud understand it, and no kid wud be able psychoanalyze himself da way da kid in movie does. future sigmund freud perhaps? very unlikely.

16th Post--------Pro------thewade6162

I have a feeling your not even reading what im saying cause I feel like we are back at square one.
I'll repeat some.

The Hurt Locker- Its a realistic war movie, war is a series of climaxes.

Up- Seems like you got most of it but still can't see how it "fails" especially when its so emotionally intact.

Where the Wild Things Are- Not suppost to be a kids movie bro, and its a movie realism shouldnt be a factor.

dis it wat id thinkz


END DEBATE- MIGHT BE CONTINUED OR UPDATED

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